I saw the Noble End and I think it's convinced me that they'll be extraordinarily happy for like four months before he gets bored or paranoid and then everything ends terribly.
The "unpaid therapist" vibe was especially strong with the Noble End.
...But really, MC should have just stayed home. She would have had a much better life. (I actually do appreciate it about the game; really, it seems like she would be a lot happier if she left all those people ASAP, and I like how they don't show that love fixes everything. But also, game, this is miserable sometimes!)
This is after it's established that she wants him, but still he needs there to be an aspect of coercion about it.
Yeaah. In general, he's very big on treating her as a toy and prodding her to see her reactions in the epilogue. I was much more fine reading it from her perspective; reading it from his felt all kinds of weird as he talked about how much he enjoyed it. Eep.
Oh right, this is the Nobunaga route, and I should probably say something about Nobunaga. You know the thing when someone acts like a moral horror but tells you that it's just that he needs love, the kind of love that only you can provide? Yeah, that. It's compelling, sure. Maybe even addictive. What if you could be the person that could turn this person around? And the thing is, sometimes it works. (I thought Okita's route in Hakuouki was a good example of a story in which it plausibly does.) But does it here? I am not sure.
Yeah. In Nobunaga's route, it's mostly not Nobunaga but everyone else around him who says it, which I think actually makes it worse. It adds so much pressure on the MC from her friends.
I actually think that the "only you can love this world-destroying woobie" trope works better for me in what I've seen of the Ieyasu ES; she's as obsessed with him as she is with her, and it's pretty clear that he's not going to change, they're just going to...be happy together. But then, maybe the lords are only likeable in their ES? I expect to NOTP Ieyasu/MC at least in their Act 1.
I think they do go more into whether Nobunaga can change in act 2.
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Date: 2019-12-23 05:09 am (UTC)The "unpaid therapist" vibe was especially strong with the Noble End.
...But really, MC should have just stayed home. She would have had a much better life. (I actually do appreciate it about the game; really, it seems like she would be a lot happier if she left all those people ASAP, and I like how they don't show that love fixes everything. But also, game, this is miserable sometimes!)
This is after it's established that she wants him, but still he needs there to be an aspect of coercion about it.
Yeaah. In general, he's very big on treating her as a toy and prodding her to see her reactions in the epilogue. I was much more fine reading it from her perspective; reading it from his felt all kinds of weird as he talked about how much he enjoyed it. Eep.
Oh right, this is the Nobunaga route, and I should probably say something about Nobunaga. You know the thing when someone acts like a moral horror but tells you that it's just that he needs love, the kind of love that only you can provide? Yeah, that. It's compelling, sure. Maybe even addictive. What if you could be the person that could turn this person around? And the thing is, sometimes it works. (I thought Okita's route in Hakuouki was a good example of a story in which it plausibly does.) But does it here? I am not sure.
Yeah. In Nobunaga's route, it's mostly not Nobunaga but everyone else around him who says it, which I think actually makes it worse. It adds so much pressure on the MC from her friends.
I actually think that the "only you can love this world-destroying woobie" trope works better for me in what I've seen of the Ieyasu ES; she's as obsessed with him as she is with her, and it's pretty clear that he's not going to change, they're just going to...be happy together. But then, maybe the lords are only likeable in their ES? I expect to NOTP Ieyasu/MC at least in their Act 1.
I think they do go more into whether Nobunaga can change in act 2.