I saw the Noble End and I think it's convinced me that they'll be extraordinarily happy for like four months before he gets bored or paranoid and then everything ends terribly.
::nods:: Either he'll feel himself inadequately saved and go after some other pure woman whose love can better save him, or he'll stab her with a sword for real, or he'll work so hard at pushing her away to test her loyalty that she'll actually get pushed away.
it's mostly not Nobunaga but everyone else around him who says it, which I think actually makes it worse.
I'd get mad at them for it but they have to believe it too. Mitsuhide is far deeper in the delusion that he can save Nobunaga and stop his war crimes with goodness than MC is. (At least until he comes to the realization that the only way he can stop Nobunaga is by murder, which is...not wrong.) Hideyoshi doesn't care about goodness but he's staked his survival on Nobunaga and his ability to manipulate him. Oichi has to make the best out of her life after Nobunaga's killed her other brothers and her husband, and hope that MC can turn him around and give her family again might be the only thing that keeps her going.
I actually think that the "only you can love this world-destroying woobie" trope works better for me in what I've seen of the Ieyasu ES; she's as obsessed with him as she is with her, and it's pretty clear that he's not going to change, they're just going to...be happy together.
Yes, she doesn't even seem to want him to change, she loves him the (horrible) way he is. I always find myself wondering in those ES if she sees something I don't, or if she's masochistic, or if she genuinely doesn't care. But she's happy. And in that relationship I *can* see her giving Ieyasu a kind of love he can't get from anywhere else, and that he values her for it.
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Date: 2019-12-23 01:33 pm (UTC)::nods:: Either he'll feel himself inadequately saved and go after some other pure woman whose love can better save him, or he'll stab her with a sword for real, or he'll work so hard at pushing her away to test her loyalty that she'll actually get pushed away.
it's mostly not Nobunaga but everyone else around him who says it, which I think actually makes it worse.
I'd get mad at them for it but they have to believe it too. Mitsuhide is far deeper in the delusion that he can save Nobunaga and stop his war crimes with goodness than MC is. (At least until he comes to the realization that the only way he can stop Nobunaga is by murder, which is...not wrong.) Hideyoshi doesn't care about goodness but he's staked his survival on Nobunaga and his ability to manipulate him. Oichi has to make the best out of her life after Nobunaga's killed her other brothers and her husband, and hope that MC can turn him around and give her family again might be the only thing that keeps her going.
I actually think that the "only you can love this world-destroying woobie" trope works better for me in what I've seen of the Ieyasu ES; she's as obsessed with him as she is with her, and it's pretty clear that he's not going to change, they're just going to...be happy together.
Yes, she doesn't even seem to want him to change, she loves him the (horrible) way he is. I always find myself wondering in those ES if she sees something I don't, or if she's masochistic, or if she genuinely doesn't care. But she's happy. And in that relationship I *can* see her giving Ieyasu a kind of love he can't get from anywhere else, and that he values her for it.